Fun...until reality sets in - Outdoor Instructor Pali Institute Employee Review

2.0
13 Jun 2016
Recommend
CEO approval
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Pros

You meet some amazing people and (being from the East Coast) it's an excellent opportunity to explore California and the West Coast. You get housing (in shared rooms but still) and meals, plus you have an outdoor job. If you're good at saving money, you don't technically have to pay rent or much on food so your cost of living is low. The pros pretty much stop there, except that in every other job I have now if I am having a difficult time I think "well at least I am no longer at Pali" and my current job seems a lot better.

Cons

You will never truly appreciate time-off until you have worked 23 hours of the day-which is the norm for Pali. Instructors get 1.5 hours off per day (sometimes less, we had some zip line time that ran late) and there are some weekends that need workers and you get guilt-tripped into working them. 75% in-cabin does not sound like a lot until you are in a situation where you begin to dread the start of work. It's simply too exhausting. Everyone burns out. Everyone. Burns. Out. The negative energy seeps through the staff so even if you have a better positive attitude than most, your time will come. How could it not, if you have so little time to recuperate? The staff gets sick all at once and you need to keep working. The admin can be good, but eventually you realize that those who make it past 2 seasons are essentially the ones to move up-so it's not really on skills and suitability and more like timing for how long you last. It's difficult to not leave this place with some bitterness. I came in with a positive attitude and I am glad to have done it but I will never go back again. Also, there are mountain lions. It was a deterrent to trying to go for runs!

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Pali Institute Response
7y
Thank you for taking the time to review Pali Institute. We have made a number of changes over the years to help with the concerns you have listed here. This includes better student to staff ratios, more leadership staff to support the instructors, employing more instructors to help give staff more time off, and some new positions for qualified staff to move up into leadership. If you would like to learn more about these changes, please reach out to me directly at skane@palimountain.com.

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5.0
2 Jan 2026
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Pros

Great community. Everyone is always willing to go on an adventure during time off. The classes are fun, and overall it is more fun than it is work. well paid for a seasonal camp esque job.

Cons

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2.0
12 Apr 2026
Recommend
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Pros

Many coworkers are amazing. Free housing. Most of your meals are provided. The people are the only reason so many people stay as long as they do- you'll probably meet lifelong friends here.

Cons

A very high turnover rate because people are absolutely worked to the bone. If you are in cabin, you only get 1.5 hours off a day. You're literally working 22.5 hours a day, on call for any issues in the cabin. The lack of time off and staff support is abysmal. Leadership is very cliquey and not approachable. Bed bugs are common in the cabins. So much of this job is behavior management of the kids. If you planned on this role focusing on outdoor education, it hardly does. So many people here lose their spark because there is simply no work-life balance. Also, some very weird people work here, and even with HR complaints against them, they are still employed because Pali needs the high staff numbers to have enough people to put in cabin. This company is very much focused on profits first. Never met the CEO during the season. Talked to the director Emily maybe twice. Very disconnected and doesn't feel like there's a purpose to working here besides making the company as much money as possible.

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